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Early 90's blind, World Industries, Plan B, and 101 decks
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these...the always controversial graphics...great slicks with great
artwork or photo-graphics....the decks that everyone would love to
have again and pay top dollar to get! Well, they are back in record
numbers....or so it would seem....bad news... most all of them are
fake. Here is more info: |
| <name withheld>"...this
distributor is also the one responsible for the blind,world,plan b
decks that have been showing up on ebay.These are new school decks
with new school hole patterns with laser copies/left over slick graphics
sublimated on to them. Remember these decks are not slicks like the
old school boards.These bootlegs are sublimated. A process that didnt
become popular untill 1998.Maybe 1997. Beware any Plan B-Sal Barbier
Pollution, Plan b -Danny Way Lepercaun,Blind- Guy Mariano Accidental
Gun Death ,Plan B-Danny Way Shotgun,101 - kris markovich Evil Kenivel
, 101 - Gabriel Rodriguez Punisher/Penalizer , World-Jeremy Klein
kid w/black eye world....and i think a couple more..." |
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| <name withheld>"Yes,
stay away from all the boards that <above> listed unless you
prefer to skate slicks because that's about all they're good for.
Not only are they bootlegs, but most of them were done really shitty.
Most of them were super off-center. The only question I had on them
was with the concave. They do have the concave of a board from around
93-94, which is kind of unusual. You know that really flat concave.
Most of these bootlegs were originally boards from 92. But shapes
& hole patterns were definitely not right. The Way Plan B deck
has a really muddy graphic too, which makes it look even less real.
Anyway, I have one comment to add. I'm not so sure the Klein "black
eye" is a 100% bootleg, but rather a World remake. This is what
Sean Cliver had to say about some bootlegs: "here's the deal:
somewhere in 94 or so, rocco discovered a huge back stock of "skins"
at the woodshop--jason lee burger boards, jeremy klein black eye kid,
and others--so he had them put on boards and sold them as "classics."
That give some credit for the Klein in my opinion. Like the other
reply on here sort of touched on, Rocco may have just slapped these
together as completes to get them out the door. I don't think that
holds true for these ones we're seeing a ton of though. They may all
have been made with original skins though, which is what McKee's theory
was on them. Who knows the truth that LIES behind these bootlegs,
all I can say is it better stop, because it makes collecting really
wack. I shouldn't have to hold any board I come accross under the
microscope." |
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| This email was sent to us anonymously
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| "I can give you the full scoop on those decks.
I've been to the place where they are stored and sold. Many of the
guys on ebay and even in the S&B forum know the place and have
been there also. In fact I've run into and "met" in person
people from ebay there. It's a "sports warehouse" in Orange
County, CA. I figured out months back that diablosk8 is related to
the owner of the place. Any of you guys that have been to ASR would
have seen these guys there...They do have some cool stuff, but 99.2%
(yes, exactly) of the stuff they have are factory blems, 2nds, cosmetics,
etc...The whole operation is very slimey... For example, I was there
a few weeks ago and there was a guy taking blem blanks (yes, blem
blanks) and putting a sticker (world ind., etc? I can't remember)
with the deck and shrinkwrapping them. There was a stack of 50 that
had been done and another 50 that were waiting... They have decks
from about every company that are stamped with blem, cosmetic, 2nd,
etc. Basically, they think they are the $#!t, but they don't have
a clue. Most of the companies out there know this guy and use him
to dump messed up crap or stuff that doesn't sell. When I first talked
to this guy, he told me that he bought thousands of Powell decks at
the firesale in (1994) for about $5 each (this is probably true).
If you ask him now, he will deny it because it doesn't make him look
as cool. He also bought probably 25,000 (minimum) old school decks
that are blems for next to nothing... There are a few guys that make
a living by buying from them, and reselling on ebay, which is totally
fine. Have you noticed a whole lot of Alva Fred Smith "loud"
decks or whatever...? Well, anyway, I've gone there with other ebay/s&b
guys many times and each time, they have those danny way decks. Because
I don't have much of a perspective on that deck, I thought it was
kinda cool anyway, since it's an old and an off-centered legit graphic,
just on the wrong deck. But I understand the concern. If someone stuck
an early 80's bootleg graphic on a new school deck, it would be kinda
cool if it was cheap. But, if you think you are buying a danny way
original, and you're getting what I saw at that place, uh, you are
going to be very unhappy." |
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Comparison of Fake and Original Versions
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101 Gabriel Rodriguez Penalizer |
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FAKE |
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the fake. Most of the Penalizer character's left arm is
cut off on the fake. Also note that the title at the top
is not centered nor does it fit on the deck. Finally,
the shapes are completely different. |
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| World Industries
Klein Black-Eye Kid |
Original |
FAKE |
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the fake. The name is a bit off centered as well as cut
off on the ends. The graphic itself is cut off on the
left side (the background blue circle). |
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Fake Versions Side-by-Side
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Plan B Danny Way Shotgun |
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Plan B Sal Barbier Pollution |
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Plan B Danny Way Leprechaun |
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Blind Sanchez Terminator |
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Blind Mariano Gun Death |
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101 Markovich Evel Kenival |
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101 Rodriguez Penalizer |
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World Klein Black-Eye |
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Blind Rudy Johnson Spark Plug |
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| And as always, check pictures on eBay very closely.
Blemished decks or factory seconds are very difficult to spot. Before
bidding, always check via the "Advanced Search" option, the seller's
past history and feedback. Look for anything in the history that may
look sketchy (i.e. using another user id to bid on their own items....yes,
it happens....or listing the same deck every number of days). My best
advice is to deal only with collectors you trust! |
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